Get Down Off Of Your Cross
“People say they believe in God,” said Jordan Petersen, in a video I posted at the beginning of the year. “I don’t know what they mean by that.”
Zeus is something I could believe in; so is Cernunnos, so is Odin – I could even believe in Great Lord Juju. But the Yahweh of Christianity and Judaism? The Tao? Buddha’s Nirvana, or the Indian’s Brahman? They all exist at a level preceding logic, and if I can’t comprehend or experience something, I certainly can’t believe in it – at least, not without twisting all sense out of the word “belief”, and tearing it from its proper Bayesian context. I suppose this puts me well into the Atheist camp… though I’ll admit, if your metaphysics doesn’t extend beyond the laws of Karl Popper, you’ll probably think that I’m a rather bad Atheist.
It’s comedically-tragic how easily we dismiss religion in this post-Enlightenment world; even its adherents are wont to treat it with all the dignity due a newspaper horoscope, breaking down into emotional fits or begging for a separate magesterium when it’s questioned. We seem to think that, prior to the 17th century, there were no scientists or scholars in Europe, that industry wasn’t inventing ingenious new mechanizations at an astounding pace, and that ignorance and superstition reigned in a manner which they presently do not. The Enlightenment is seen as an explosive new understanding of the world, one which shattered the dark and primitive Catholic grip which had held onto Europe for so long… and I suppose, in a sense, that it was – the Alfred Nobel sense, specifically.
The science fiction writer Robert A. Heinlein once said that every generation thinks that they invented sex.¹ I would add to that, arguing that the present-day youth think they invented Philosophy as well; thank goodness they don’t have this much hubris when it comes to Engineering.
With Engineering, we stand upon the shoulders of giants, and we know it. They pyramids haven’t been the tallest man-made structure since the Lincoln Cathedral was completed in 1311, yet they still hold us in awe as we ponder the feats of their Engineering. Richard Dawkins himself once commented that, in his opinion, the most brilliant scientist of all time was Sir Isaac Newton; true, others have surpassed his achievements (that’s what science does, after all, it’s designed to constantly surpass itself) but in Dawkins’ estimation, Newton accomplished the most of any scientist, living or dead. No study of science is complete without understanding the great thinkers who came before and how they arrived at their theories, even when their theories have been amended and expanded upon. When it comes to morality, however, our view is the exact opposite: that we invented it, that we perfected it, and that the ancients have nothing useful to tell us about it – just like how your grandparents don’t know anything about sex. After all, if they did, they would have discovered hook-up culture and Democracy, right?
Gibbon’s Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire? What’s that?
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Somebody wrote to me recently, asking for my opinion, as a Historian, on whether there existed a historical Christ. Quite frankly, he doesn’t come up in mainstream History – the religion starts becoming important about a century after his death, but Jesus himself is a historical cipher. I’ve read Lee Strobel’s Case For Christ, but it’s nothing but a polemic for proles. He structures it as a court case, but he gets the positions backwards; he puts Jesus onto the right-hand side of the accused, which would be funny if it weren’t borderline blasphemy (this is Christianity, after all, not Islam). If Strobel were a true Christian he’d be handling the snakes of superstition without being bitten.
It’s hard to blame Atheiskult for their arrogance when these are the examples of Christian “Thought” trotted out in public.
The presumption of innocence is a presumption of a negative, and this is the underlying presumption of Christendom. St Paul’s arguments assumed this stance, the scientific method is based upon it, and event he fuzzy-sciences of the Humanities are subject to it. The foundations of justice demand that the prosecution proves their point with 99% certainty before we grant them belief. The historical existence of Jesus is a positive claim – ergo, he belongs on the side of the prosecution. Strobel ignored this, the foundation of sanity, and privileges his existence by making it the default assumption.
If you believe in everything, until such time as it is proven false, then Bertrand Russel has a business proposition for you involving a large supply of tea kettles orbiting Mars; as for me, I’m a simple man; though I do have some discounted scrap metal from a suspension bridge…
Strobel deserves to be mocked and ridiculed for this nonsense, and if he is the best that the Church has to offer, than the Church is worse-off theologically than Atheistkult. The latter might be incredibly naive and ignorant, but at least they don’t wallow in it. Personally, I’m an agnostic when it comes to the historical Jesus; on the one hand, there’s a lot of suggestive evidence, but at the same time, society was ready for Jesus to appear. It’s no accident that there were other similar figures arising out of their own mystery cults at the time – the official Catholic stance on the matter is that these were distractions offered by Satan, which I suppose they might be, or it could have been the conglomeration of our moral evolution, that individuals were ready for Christ, and so they were anticipating Him…
But I digress. I don’t know if Jesus existed as the historical carpenter born in a manger which we all learn about – but I understand that he needed to exist. It’s a simple matter of moral arithmetic: Good might be stronger, but Evil is faster.
There is a short story I read, so long ago that I can’t remember the title or author, but its themes are indelibly printed on my mind: it’s the tale of an impoverished peasant, hired by a rich man with a penchant for archaeology to transport an ancient amphora for him, only to trip and drop the expensive relic, shattering it upon the stones. The rich man doesn’t blame him for the accident – and even if he had, the poor man never could have afforded to repay him for the amphora’s value – and yet, thirty years later, the poor man shows up at the rich man’s door… and hands over all the savings he’s managed to gather over the years, to finally pay for his crime.
The existential absurdity of the tale is overwhelming: a life wasted on repaying a debt, which was but a minor diversion to the person it was owed. You’re forced to wonder at how many opportunities this peasant squandered, to make good on the amphora. He never married – he never had children – he missed out on so many ways he could have contributed to the world, just for the sake of repaying a debt which was never demanded of him. All because of one act of clumsiness, and his never-ending guilt…
All of us are that peasant.
The amount of Evil you can perform will always outstrip the Good. A stained glass window can be shattered by a single rock. A suicide bomber murders dozens and impact thousands with his crime. Even the simple clumsiness of day-to-day mistakes winds up harming others beyond all measure. We all came out of that travesty that is the public school system with emotional scars due to the rampant bullying – and all of us, without exception, at one point or another acted as one of the bullies.
The amount of Evil we’ve already done in our lives is beyond repayment; the act of trying to repay it would only hurt and deprive our loved ones of our full devotion. To implement the Old Testament Law of An Eye for an Eye across the moral spectrum wouldn’t just turn the world blind – the full accounting for all of our crimes would require no less than purgatory, for eternity minus a day.
Ergo, the Christ: the blood sacrifice of the only man who never did any harm to another was price of redemption for our race; it was the price of balancing the moral accounts. So while I can’t tell you whether or not a Historical Christ did, in fact, exist, it is a metaphysical certainty that He needed to exist. To think otherwise is to embrace madness – or, at the very least, the histrionicism of the Jew.
And yet so few of us accept this sacrifice; this was the point behind Matt Forney’s recent article on the religiosity of Miriam Weeks.
Miss Weeks is a Women’s Studies student cum porn actress, working under the stage name Belle Knox. She’s written for several mainstream sources, arguing that pornography is empowering for a woman’s sexuality, but this is just a smoke-screen for her true motivation. Regardless of what you might think of porn in general, the films she has chosen to star in are utterly degrading: they make fun of her chosen major, they ridicule the scars from her self-harm, and it is clear from the look in her eyes that she’s on the verge of crying throughout the performance. Many commenters have mistaken this for an example of how useless a Women’s Studies major is (Miss Weeks is massively in debt with no job prospects, after all): what they are missing is that her true motivations for performing have nothing to do with financial needs, it all has to do with her self-hatred; it’s an expression of her Catholic upbringing.
Miriam Weeks is a Catholic, raised by devout Catholic parents, and educated in Catholic institutions. The freshman analysis is that she got skullfucked for money as a middle finger to her conservative upbringing. Wrong. Weeks is indulging in that most Catholic of impulses: the desire to be martyred. To go against the grain and be punished for it.
It’s an impulse that is alien to the English-speaking, Protestant peoples, who can only understand pain in the context of inflicting it on other people, mainly Catholics. The English and the Irish, the Germans and the Poles, the Canadians and the Quebecois, the U.S. and Latin America; ever since the Thirty Years War, the way of the world has been Protestants stomping their boots on Catholics’ faces.
Catholics have been oppressed for so long that it’s been encoded into our genes. It doesn’t matter if you believe in God or not; you can’t escape your upbringing. Every Catholic wants nothing more than a cross, with a crown of thorns to boot. Just look at the crosses we hang in our churches. Far from the austerity of Protestant churches, our crucifixes depict Jesus in all his suffering: oozing, bleeding, sweating, drowning in his own fluids. That’s the life of a Catholic: relentlessly contrarian and against the world. We defend what we see as the Truth against the sneering Puritan hordes, and the more doomed our struggle, the better.
This has been going on for centuries: the Catholics internalizing their guilt, allowing themselves to be martyred. The Protestants externalizing their guilt, demanding a sacrificial goat. It’s the same narrative we see playing out in our politics: Conservatives with a fetish for Down Syndrome babies, Liberals with a fetish for abortion; Conservatives sacrificing themselves on the altar of White Guilt, Liberals demonizing the Conservatives as the Racist Other. The entire situation is pathetic, sad, and disgusting.
Jesus didn’t climb up on that cross so that you could join him; he wasn’t looking for company! He suffered and died so that you wouldn’t have to! Your martyrdom is neither needed, nor wanted – the whole purpose of the Crucifixion was to allow you to go out and live your life, and let go of that guilt you can never repay; the man was your saviour – not your prophet!
The problem with this ugly, joking, mess of a civilization boils down to one simple thing: that we’re a Christian people who have forgotten the foundational premise of our theology. We’re a people wracked with guilt, who’ve forgotten that there’s a cure being offered. Half of us are committing suicide – while the other half revels in tormenting the suicidal.
I started this article with a picture of Booker DeWitt, the protagonist of Bioshock: Infinite: he’s a man who split himself along the Catholic/Protestant dichotomy out of guilt for the brutalities he’d committed during the Wounded Knee Massacre. In one time-line he became a masochist: a gambling-addicted alcoholic who revelled in his own failure. In the other, a sadist: a cult-leader at the head of a war machine, punishing the outside world for his own misdeeds. Trapped between these two versions of the man, in a cage built of his guilt, was his child, Elizabeth: a sixteen year old beauty, a mathematical and artistic prodigy, an innocent – who would be tortured into becoming a monster thanks to Booker’s selfish self-hatred.
Get down off of your cross. Stop worrying about what you deserve, because we all know that what you deserve is Purgatory, if not Hell itself – and what you’re going to get is Love and Grace, should you accept the gifts that are offered.
Every day I see people living in their self-imposed Hell, spending every waking moment thinking about what they deserve. Open your hearts – start thinking about others for a change – start thinking about what others deserve from you – because chances are, there’s somebody who cares about you who deserves to see you happy for once in your life.
Forgiveness isn’t something you accept for your own sake; you accept it for the sake of the people you love.
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1. The quote is worth reading in its entirety, to help put what we’re seeing on webcams into perspective: “(E)ach generation thinks it invented sex; each generation is totally mistaken. Anything along that line today was commonplace both in Pompeii and in Victorian England; the differences lie only in the degree of coverup — if any.” Robert A. Heinlein, Expanded Universe, (1980), pg. 355
Lee Strobel was a former Atheistkult member. So on 2nd thought I am not surprised that he hasn’t purged that unconscious assumption that he has in regards to the historical Jesus.
And Lee Strobel is not the best that Christianity has to offer fortunately there are others that include William Lane Craig, Greg Koukl and John Lennox.
I’m certain he isn’t; unfortunately, his was the book that Campus Crusade for Christ decided to purchase, and hand out for free.
The catholic upbringing is so pervasive even atheists raised in a catholic home don’t realize the guilt they have been harboring their entire lives. Its a daily struggle to just not give a fuck.
This makes me think we need to be rid of Christianity entirely, instead of the unifing force the political class wanted from Constantine onward its become a toxic Jewish meme.
I guess in n some sense we all are partaking of the neurosis that is sterotypical of Jews, nations of Woody Allens instead of Heroes
Now Christianity is so ingrained in our societies it wouldn”t be easy. We do not need Eastern values, we aren’t men of the East and our dabbling brought us more than alittle of mischief we have now. Worse we really don’t have a Western value set of our own as the destruction was so thorough.
I suppose we could try the Nine Noble Vitues of Asaru and Odinism
Strength is better than weakness
Courage is better than cowardice
Joy is better than guilt
Honour is better than dishonour
Freedom is better than slavery
Kinship is better than alienation
Realism is better than dogmatism
Vigor is better than lifelessness
Ancestry is better than universalism
or simpler
Courage
Truth
Honour
Fidelity
Discipline
Hospitality
Self Reliance
Industriousness
Perseverance
but these values will send the establishment into madness especially the Universalists who are basically the philosophical roots of the Cathedral and its kissing cousin the industial state.
The Dark Side is also easier to understand because it is so simplistic. I’m good; you’re evil…and that is why Anakin Skywalker so easily murdered children.
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That only holds if guilt is a culturally-impressed religious emotion, rather than a genetic trait of the European and Jewish races; I’m inclined to believe that it’s the latter. I have a video on the topic which I need to edit and upload, but in the meantime Asymmetrical Warfare has an excellent video on the topic here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpOnZ2rVF_c
If he is correct, we must find a constructive way of dealing with our guilt, or else it turns into Liberalism.
@Aruini
Thanks for the video.I’ll watch it at a later date. Re: guilt, Fair point but I am not sure its genetic.
I doubt our shame based Pre-Christian forebears felt nearly as much guilt. Now its possible there has been more than a little genetic drift as adaptation to the new social order or even more than a bit of interbreeding with other groups as well.
I’ve noticed peoples looks, not makeup but body features change with decades and there really is such a thing as period features. People born in say 1870 may be genetically a slightly different people than ones in say 1970.
Also on a more personal note, thanks for the work you do. Its been quite inspirational to me. I’ve gotten better, more together thanks to the efforts of many people in this little community.
Love your work, Davis, even though. As a Christian and a Baptist of the Particular stripe (who certainly disagrees with your theological and historical perspective concerning Rome, for I do not believe Rome preaches the same Gospel as the Apostles), I admire how much of the meta-narrative of the Scriptures you understand and aptly interpret. Some verses I wish more Christians would ponder upon so that they could actually give a consistent account of the Christian message in their attitudes, speech, and deeds: Romans 5:12-6:4 and Hebrews 7:25, 10:14-18. As the least and greatest of the Apostles would often say: “Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ”.
I think you’re missing the influence of Calvinism on Western morality, Davis. Even if Catholics have a strong sense of guilt, Calvinism exceeds that guilt at least tenfold. And every philosophical genealogy of the Cathedral that I’ve read put Calvinism or one of the other Reformed Christian denominations at the root of that genealogy.
Regarding religion, I’ve been interested in Asatru, Norse neo-paganism, for some time. The main draw is the fact that the religion is orthopraxic, rather than orthodoxic: more focused on right conduct and honorable behavior than holding the right doctrinal viewpoints. A strange transition for a Catholic, but it somehow works. That, and there is no doctrine of Original Sin. Without Original Sin, would you have white guilt? I think not.
A big problem I have with (most) Christian denominations is that their religious ceremonies feel spiritually dead to me. Too modern, too disconnected from the mysticism that let our ancestors say, “Why yes, I do believe that dead warriors party and fight each other until the end of time, why do you ask?” I attended one Eastern Rite Catholic service, and I was so blown away by the mysticism and the grandeur that Western Rite ceremonies started to feel like trips to the DMV.
Oh, and Jesus did get mentioned by name by Josephus, which is about as good a confirmation as we can get.
One of your best so far. Thank you for à very pleasant read.
@Aurini – Small typo – it’s Gibbon not Gibson (The History of Decline and Fall of The Roman Empire)
I liked the premise of this article, but the post is too long-winded in my opinion.
Propose your premise, state your references, and provide your conclusion. Don’t write a doctorate thesis.
Ignore Moishe.
The post was fine.
“That, and there is no doctrine of Original Sin. Without Original Sin, would you have white guilt? I think not. ”
You may be right. However recognizing the fallenness nature of man is also important:
“I think you’re missing the influence of Calvinism on Western morality, Davis. Even if Catholics have a strong sense of guilt, Calvinism exceeds that guilt at least tenfold.”
There is Calvinism and then there is Molinism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molinism
Acknowledging the imperfection of Man is completely necessary. If for no other reason than to keep us from getting too arrogant. Our every plan is going to go bad at some point because we can’t possibly account for every input, or for the illogic of emotion and physical failure.
Now, whether we can spiritually transcend that imperfection is another matter. Christianity and the Eastern religions say that we can by severing our attachments to vices and earthly pleasures. Western religions just shrug their shoulders.
I agree with Davis that Jesus metaphysically needed to exist. I think there’s enough evidence to say that he existed, but that can be debated. But the offer of freedom from the guilt all mankind feels; it’s no wonder people flocked to Christianity in droves.
Why do we even suppose collectivist morality measured against perfection, a silly human concept, when evolution is working perfectly already. The idea of brother’s keeper is the ‘toxic Jewish meme’ A.B. Prosper commented about (nice to read that comment). We would do well to keep ourselves, fellow mortals, but we don’t because we would have to hurt people who hurt us. As Ayn Rand said, check your premises. Nevertheless, a brilliant analysis, Aurini. Christianity has been nudged waaaaaay off course. I thought Jesus was a proven historical figure. Damn. More unknowns to deal with.
You may as well put your time into seeking the Fountain Of Youth or The Philosopher’s Stone, Aurini. As you work to put Christ into historical perspective think about this:
The streets are positively FILLED with chirping, uneducable fucktards that will tell you “there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq! Bush lied, people DIED!!!” This war is less than 10 years old, they say this in spite of mile-long convoys that rolled past dazed UN instpectors without being searched. They say this even though we sold WMD’s to Iraq and it is a matter of public record. They say this in spite of the gassing of the Kurds with nerve gas – a matter of public record. Do you think you can honestly sift through 20 centuries of idiocy just like this and arrive at a historical truth? The average human being has an IQ lower than 100, and can’t remember what he ate for breakfast. He thinks science magically supports global warming, homosexuality, socialism and half a dozen other concepts that it actively refutes.
What happened before the Big Bang? Why is our universe silent when it should be positively buzzing with extra terrestrial civilizations? Why are we here?
I have been there when my daughter, the calves, foals and puppies were born. I was there when loved ones died. If some idiot wants to believe there is no God, no supreme being – and that all we are is lawn food I suppose there is no harm in it. As for me…I know there is more to this world than we see here and now, I can feel it. For me…that’s good enough.
“Zeus is something I could believe in; so is Cernunnos, so is Odin – I could even believe in Great Lord Juju. But the Yahweh of Christianity and Judaism? The Tao? Buddha’s Nirvana, or the Indian’s Brahman? They all exist at a level preceding logic, and if I can’t comprehend or experience something, I certainly can’t believe in it – at least, not without twisting all sense out of the word “belief”, and tearing it from its proper Bayesian context. I suppose this puts me well into the Atheist camp… though I’ll admit, if your metaphysics doesn’t extend beyond the laws of Karl Popper, you’ll probably think that I’m a rather bad Atheist.”
– Nirvana is the state of non-existence and Brahm/Brahman is the sum totality of existence. So yes, you could be an atheist and “believe” or conceive of those states as neither require a god.
So how you conclude that you are an “atheist” if “Zeus (a personal god) is something I could believe in” but you cannot conceive of a state of non-existence (in the individual sense) or conceive of a unity behind all of the existence that you can perceive as existing, and call those two concepts “existing at a level that precedes logic” is beyond me.
They are comprehensible and experiential concepts, but you, at your current stage of insight, may not be able to comprehend them, forget about experiencing them.
I comprehend them, have short flashes of experience of both in my practice from time to time, but even without that, both concepts are very logical and in fact stem from Nyaya itself. (Nyaya is the ancient South Asian system of logic).
However, taking a Greek myth like Zeus (or a Biblical myth) literally? Now THAT precedes logic.
I think you were trying to make a salient point in this piece but it didn’t quite work. And that is because your comparisons were off. Zeus and Yahweh can be compared because they are both mythical personalities.
Nirvana is a theory of non-existence and Brahm is a theory of the totality of existence.
How you could compare the belief in Yahweh (a mythical god, like Zeus) to two theories of existence (or non) that have nothing to do with a “god” or any mythic personality is confusing to me.
Would you mind explaining your thought process in this regard?
“alter”
altar
“Weaks”
Weeks
Feel free to delete these posts of pedantry after making the corrections.
In addition to what Aish wrote above, I’ll add that Hinduism can give you plenty of Zeus’s along with the impersonal, all-pervasive Brahman concept simultaneously.
You must be knowing that we Hindus have a diverse variety of goddesses and gods that serve as archetypal personifications of our various principles. So for those who are attached to personal deities and find that contemplating the personal aids in their self-actualization and ultimate enlightenment, there are many to choose from.
The beauty of Hinduism is that the personal and the impersonal exist side by side.
I wonder if the ancient Greeks or European “pagans” had a similar thought process? Does anyone here know?
I can’t imagine their concepts would have been nearly as fleshed out as the ancient Hindu philosophers fleshed concepts and ideas out though.
Strobel isn’t exactly the cream of the crop as far as historical material goes – your skills as a historian would be far better applied to the likes of Ben Witherington and NT Wright.
There may be a reason the Strobel stuff was being given out for free…